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Lionheart vs Omnislash
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Pretty obvious question,
Who would actually better ?
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Re: Lionheart vs Omnislash
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August 26, 2007, 01:30:41 PM »
Seventeen slashes + four to eleven more with Renzoukuken vs. a single fourteen slash?
Not to mention that Lionheart is insanely more readily available for spamming over Omnislash?
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Re: Lionheart vs Omnislash
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Omnislash is so much more fulfilling though...
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Omnislash: Donut's right. It is more fulfilling
Lionheart: More useful.
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Re: Lionheart vs Omnislash
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lionheart is clearly better but its more fulfilling using omnislash. people go through all the trouble of getting it for a reason.
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Re: Lionheart vs Omnislash
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Lion Heart: on a 8 Hit run PLUS the Lion Heart attack consisting of roughly 18 or so hits, the max dmg that Squall would put out in a full 9999 assault, would tally to almost 600000 HP dmg if not more. plus it's anmiated to have some style to it, and if you target a critical enemy rather than the Peons, you're going all out on the main enemy rather than waste valuable attacks.
Omnislash: it's 14 hits, if there are more than one enemy, will usually kill and entire party, but if it's a critical boss fight and one main boss needs to die to get onward, you're wasting a lot of slashes on Peons that can be replaced. the max dmg you could do with this would be about 100k-250k less than Lion Heart in total. to knock it a bit, Cloud only repeats the same 3 or 4 hits in a chain throughout Omnislash with the only thing different being the end of the attack.
in the end, I find Lion Heart to be more Damaging/Reliable/Stylish/Practical.
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I've always preferred Omnislash, the ending blow being very satisfying- I guess it has to do with it being the final move in the game that makes it so special. Plus the Advent Children variation of Omnislash (almost like an FF8 Gilgamesh) was pretty darn good.
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Re: Lionheart vs Omnislash
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The numbers posted here are awfully exaggerated.
Renzokuken+Lionheart= 600,000 dmg?
Omnislash= 250,000 dmg?
Where do you draw those numbers from?
With a max 9999 hit, a 8-hit Renzokuken and a 18-hit Lionheart give 26x9999= 259,976 dmg
In the same pattern, a 15-hit Omnislash gives 15x9999= 149,976 dmg
Lionheart (even without Renzokuken) is clearly more damaging, though Omnislash is more satisfying audio-visually (the slashes in FF7 sound like thunders)
Lionheart is a cheat in FF8, with a good Aura spell on Squall, you can take out Omega Weapon, the most powerful enemy of the game, in roughly 4 rounds. Whereas the same cannot be said about FF7 as Emerald and Ruby Weapons cannot really be dealt with effectively by relying on Omnislash. You can spam Knights of the Round however.
It seems that FF8's main thing is Limit Breaks, while FF7 is more about Summons.
All in all, I found FF8 a ridiculously easy game, no fight gave me serious trouble back in the day, while in FF7 I struggled a lot to get the appropriate materia-set to take out the two main Weapons. FF9 was hard as well.
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Re: Lionheart vs Omnislash
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Junctioning was the primary lifeline of FFVIII, abusable from the start.
Materia was the primary lifeline of FFVII, sucked at the start, but improves as you progress/upgrade.
I don't see how Lion Heart is really a "Cheat", compared to say, a 4-Hit attack replacing a normal attack in FFVII via Materia. Lion Heart merely improved in it's predecessor (Omnislash), by raping it's damage potential, and focusing it on a primary enemie, rather than divide all the power amongst a main baddie and his/her/it's peons.
In all, it's about preference: Would you rather say you killed a bunch of a baddie's peons using Omnislash (all while the said baddie laughs at the fact that you didn't kill him with the largely overexaggurated Limit), or would you prefer to Rape a main baddie to the point of Overkill with Lion Heart?
my preference: Lion Heart, as mentioned, since peons can be replaced, main baddies can't. :p
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Lionheart is a cheat based on FF8 standards, what does 4xCut of FF7 have to do with anything?
It is a cheat because of the Aura spell, you can spam the limit break technically infinite times until the bad guy is down. Whereas Omnislash is mostly preserved for the boss once gained.
I have already posted my preference between the two
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Since when is Lion Heart a cheat? it's merely one the special attacks initiated at random for Squall when he uses Renzokuken.
*shrugs* If it (pointing towards Limit Breaks in general) being used more often than once every 1/2 hour to an hour was a cheat, it would only be available in a cheat device, much like the auto-fill of the limit gauge for FFVII. You gotta know not to confuse something that's exploitable with an actual cheat.
Most of the items/magics are generally farmed, in a legit manner, which dislodges the "cheat" characteristics of it. Granted though, that Aura in FFVIII was designed to put a fight in your favor from the get-go to save on wasting valuable resources like potions and phoenix downs, it was abused since there are a number of ways to attain this magic, and with some work, max out a party member's inventory with it. If it seems "cheap", since there's various factors that allow you to initiate a limit break without a limit gauge (in this case, low health/aura/allies dead/all of the above), you're entitled to your opinion, but it's NOT a cheat.
btw, FFXI wasn't too hard if you played the game right. I beat the game with a party averaging at about lvl 35, with Zidane being lvl 52, but that's not the point of this topic.
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Re: Lionheart vs Omnislash
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Dude... you do know what a metaphor is, right?
I consider it a cheat because it makes the game ridiculously easy to complete. Spamming an attack that can take out even the most powerful boss (Omega Weapon) in 4 rounds is a "cheat" in my books.
Limit Breaks were abused and spammed pretty easily in FF8 in general... compared to most games of the series. FF7 and FF9 had that gauge system and FF6 was nearly impossible to get your character to activate a Limit Break (seemed kind of random though).
KOTR in FF7 was one as well, though you went through 10 times more trouble to acquire it than what you did for Lionheart in FF8.
All in all, like I said, I found FF8 totally unchallenging as a game. Would replay it once more but mostly for the storyline and the video-scenes.
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Dude... you DO know what a Cheat is.... right?
Though you're speaking metaphorically, here's a definition, appropriately adapted for something like this:
"To violate rules deliberately, as in a game: was accused of cheating at cards.", or "A computer application, password, or disallowed technique used to advance to a higher skill level in a computer video game."
People CHEAT in games by violating the rules of a game (example being where a person in an XBL party deliberately sabotages another team if they're pitted against the party members they are connected to. Halo 3 is a perfect example of this.), or using a device/edit codes in a program to manipulate the game in such a way where the cheater has a clearly unfair advantage over the computer, bending the physics of the game to the cheater's will, which is impossible otherwise. (anyone who hacks PC games or uses cheat devices on console games would fit this category).
Now, for an Exploit, or Exploitation in general, can be defined as:
"To employ to the greatest possible advantage, within natural limits."
In this case, as Aura is technically classed as a Support Magic, its acquisition within the game, on top of the various GFs that grant various refining abilities upon being learnt, makes it "exploitable" as it's a renewable resource in the game. Getting many Auras, as many as 100 per character, is not cheating, it's farming. But I'm gonna try to avoid getting into a farming debate since nearly any game has a farming mechanic to it.
Case in point, since when is the Lion Heart attack itself a cheat? on Omega, it does mediocre dmg if you're not at 255 strength, with Omega under Meltdown status (reducing it's Vit stat, or defence, to zero). KOTR can be cast 4 times in succession before any of the Weapons in FFVII can even ATTACK (making it FAR more damaging than Lion Heart can ever hope to be), but alas, it's possible by "Exploiting" the Materia system in the game, not by cheating.
And last time I checked, Lion Heart is initiated at random. Even with Aura and maxed out luck, you're not guaranteed to get Lion Heart immediately after Renzokuken 100% of the time, but you have a 25% chance since Squall has 4 finishers and the game will automatically choose which one. Renzokuken is more of the culprit, and even than you aren't guaranteed a 8-hit Renzokuken any time you use it.
Besides, it's reported that Aura reduces your chances of getting a Lion Heart, though I've yet to really look into it. I might, given that you seem to think Aura makes Squall a Lion Heart Blasting Monster of Destruction.
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Dude, you're either not in touch with modern gaming definitions or you're simply ignoring the overkill that Lionheart is.
When we say cheat we don't necessarily mean CHEAT, yes I know what an actual cheat is, thanks. Cheat also means IMBA (imbalanced), BUGGED, NEEDED-TO-NERF.
I do consider Lionheart a ridiculously powerful attack that kind of makes most fights pointless from a point onward into the game. BTW, I got Lionheart like 50% of the time in Renzokuken.
KOTR does not work with that 4x Magic thing, I am 1000000% certain about it because I remember the trouble I went through back in the day. You can however cast it with W-Summon and use Mime, therefore make 6 summons in a single round. It is as much of a cheat as Lionheart yeah, I even said that myself a few posts back. Though, I also said that you go through a REAL pain in the arse to actually get on your hands on the KOTR Materia. I don't wanna have to do that chocobo breed and upgrading ever again.
Plus, KOTR is more time-consuming... you cast it with W-Summon and Mime like I said and you may go to the nearest cafe and get yourself a nice cold coffee, take your time to enjoy it and go back home just in time for the next round
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